how we get tax reform in place to make americans and american corporations competitive again, globally. big thing for dow chemical. we want to reinvest in america because we can be competitive out of america. that agenda has to be put on the national agenda. i know the second term president is very keen on doing that. liz: the first term president was accused of being anti-business or not as friendly to business even though he brought a lot of business leaders to the white house and listened to them. many of them sat here and said you know what liz, though, he listened but i didn't see anything effectuated. do you think it's a different time now with president obama? >> i'm very fortunate that i was one of the ones that was called upon very early to help first term president obama. you've got to understand where he's coming from and his agenda and how he got voted in. liz: how hard is it to understand that businesses create jobs? >> not hard, but how hard is it to actually put the agenda ahead of the other agendas, probably difficult. but now the agenda is here. by the way, it transcen